There is always more to the story. Our previous post titled “Where Does The Axle Go?” has spawned a lot of great questions. Here is one particular question asking for some very relevant info about calculating axle position.
This answer is worth sharing as a good follow-on to the previous article, because it deals with an existing trailer. And, this answer shows another way to approach the questions about ideal axle location.
The Customer Question:
“Hello, I recently purchased an enclosed deck-over snowmobile trailer with a 31′ cargo box length and three axles. The manufacturer put the axles in the wrong spot. Way to far forward. Now the dealer has to move them. How do I make sure the axles are put them in the correct spot this time? Can I use your formula with a complete trailer with the axles and wheels already installed? How do I calculate L4 & L5? Thank you very much for any help.”
Note: The equation mentioned is from the previous article, “Where Does The Axle Go?” – along with the variables L4 & L5. Please see the image in that article for a visual of what this customer is asking.
The answer, is YES, we can calculate proper axle position for an existing trailer. That said, for new trailer designs, we recommend using the expanded formulas in the previous article. With existing trailers, like this, we will simplify things to make it a little easier since the trailer and all the components are already there. This article is really for calculating axle position for existing trailers.
Start With What You Have
Calculating axle position – the correct position – is in 2 steps. First, we establish what we have, Then calculate where the axle (or axles) SHOULD go.
The easiest way to establish what we have, and get the needed numbers, is using a vehicle scale. Load the trailer as it will be going down the road, then go to a vehicle scale. (Call around. Scales are often at garbage dumps, scrap yards, highway weigh stations, and more.) If you are not able to drive to it, maybe this DIY method to Weigh Heavy Things can help. (Hard to use for a large trailer.)
Example Procedure for Calculating Axle Position:
Drive onto the scale with your vehicle so that just the trailer wheels are on the scale. Take the measurement. For example, 2250#. Now back up a little, then unhitch the trailer leaving it on the scale so it measures the full trailer weight. For example, 2600#.
Measured Weight at the Wheels: Ww = 2250 Lbs
Total Measured Weight of the Trailer: Wcg = 2600 Lbs
Tongue Weight: Ft(a) = Wcg – Ww = 2600# – 2250# = 350# (Actual tongue weight for the existing trailer.)
Now calculate the center of mass (aka Center of Gravity or CG). We can simplify calculating axle position by knowing the CG directly, then ignore some of the lengths and weights from the previous post.
Length from the Ball to Center of Wheel Set: L6(a) = Actual, as measured. (For a triple axle trailer that is probably the center of the middle axle.)
Length from the Ball to the Trailer CG: Lcg
Lcg = L6(a) * Ww/Wcg
This Lcg tells us where the Center of Mass for the trailer is located. This is according to the actual weight measurements, so it includes the axles weight (at the wrong position). This is worth noting, but usually it is not worth worrying too much about.
Calculating Axle Position – Where It Should Be
With the numbers above, we can then calculate where we want the axles to go. Start by selecting the desired tongue load, maybe 15% of the total trailer weight. 10% to 15% is the typical range. 12% is often considered ideal, but that is not a requirement. While these numbers are good in theory, make sure to verify that the loads are also OK for your tow vehicle.
Ft = Desired weight on the hitch.
Fa = Desired weight at the wheels.
Note that Ft + Fa must equal the total trailer weight, Wcg.
Ft = Wcg * 0.15 – This is 15% of the total trailer weight.
Fa = Wcg – Ft
Now looking at where the axle should go . . .
L6 = Desired axle position. This is where you want the center of the axle set to be – based on % tongue load you chose above.
L6 = Lcg * Wcg/Fa
Thats it. That is the answer to the customer question above.
NOTE: The images show a single axle trailer. For tandem axles or triple axles, use the center of the axle set. So, with a Tandem set, that is between the wheels. On Triples, that is normally the center of the center axle.
If you are not sure if you should have a single axle or tandem, read this article.
Understanding the Numbers
I want to point out that these calculations are based on accurate weight numbers. If you cannot load the trailer complete as it is for driving on the road, then these calculations become guesses. That is not all bad, because we know the trailer is not loaded exactly the same every time. However, the better we set things up, the more accurate calculating axle position will be.
Secondly, there is nothing magic about exactly 15% tongue weight. Anything in that area + or – a couple % is good. So, take this all in stride if the numbers do not come out perfect. One key point: We do not recommend going below 10% tongue weight. 15% works a lot better if you can.
You must make some judgments about distances and loading as you go. If your vehicle is capable of a lot more tongue weight, then bias the axles back a little bit. On the other hand, if your vehicle is limited at these tongue weights, then use a lower percentage when calculating Ft. Higher is better for stability (within reason), but not always practical with your tow vehicle. Tongue weight that is too low will absolutely cause stability issues. These are judgments you must make.
Considerations In Calculating Axle Position
Things are never as simple as they seem, so here are some other considerations when making your axle position calculations.
First, as mentioned above, the axles in the wrong place are part of the Lcg calculation. For the trailer description in the customer question, as the axles moves back, the Lcg also becomes longer. Make a judgement about this based on 1) the weight of the axles compared to the total, and 2) how far the axles need to move. If the axles weight is small compared to the total trailer weight, and/or if the placement position difference is small-ish compared to the total trailer length, then don’t worry about the change in length for Lcg.
Second, trailer tongue length plays a role here. It will not change the Wcg or Lcg numbers, but when making judgements about axle position, a longer tongue is often more forgiving than a short one. (That is actually true for stability too.) Again, this is just a consideration for calculating axle position, not a defining factor.
Third, loading variability. If your trailer will be unloaded or lightly loaded much of the time, then biasing the axles back can be mildly beneficial. If your trailer is loaded different every time you use it (most utility trailers), then go with an average for the calculations. Certainly you can bias a smaller load toward the front for those times when needed. Oh, and loading the trailer – where the weight is actually located – is also important. It will not change the calculations, but it definitely affects stability. (Here is a video showing some instability from improper loading.)
Back To The Start – A Practical Solution?
Going back to the the start of this article, the reader asked about calculating axle position because he needs to move the axles on his trailer. That is a tough one. If you have to cut them off just to weld them back on . . . . that is a lot of tear-up. (Please make sure you don’t weaken the main beams in the process.)
Here is a thought. Make the measurements and calculations as above. Then, look at the numbers and see what happens if you simply take the front axle off, and put it at the back. It is the same as shifting all the axles back one position. Perhaps then, you only need to add new brackets farther back rather than cutting things off. Again, it depends on the numbers, and it depends on the trailer situation.
Next up? How about some tricks to mount the trailer axles straight and true. That is super important for a good handling, stable trailer.
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